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Re: [Ace] Gaz-M-415 le Serment de Koufra

Message par fourneau le Ven 7 Déc 2018 - 12:32

je vois que tu es en pleine rénovation de simca mille pigeot clown , la partie transparente est récupérable ??

autrement bien vue le tableau de bord

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Re: [Ace] Gaz-M-415 le Serment de Koufra

Message par unguibusetrostro le Ven 7 Déc 2018 - 12:35

Si je puis me permettre :


"MIDDLE EAST
 
Middle East practice was determined by local General Orders and, due to supply problems, more variation is apparent than that in Europe.
 
1935 – 1939   In 1936 the 11th Hussars had Rolls-Royce and Crossley armoured cars together with support trucks in Silver with gloss Black disruptive bands.  In the same year 6 RTC Vickers Medium tanks were in BS.52 Pale Cream with a fairly standard disruptive pattern of BS.46 Red Oxide applied.  By 1937 this pattern had changed somewhat but was the same on every tank and used the same colours.  The 11th Hussars meantime had adopted the same cream/ red colours and established a fairly regular pattern on their Rolls-Royce cars. This unit utilised other colours up to 1939 but the pattern remained.  By this time various other units in Egypt has also adopted disruptive painting of various styles and colours.
 
1939 – 1940 -  On 25 July 1939 G.O 370 specified a basic colour of BS. 62 Middle Stone with a disruptive patterning of ‘Dark Sand’ in style similar to M.T.P. 20.  This scheme appears relatively common in Egypt in summer of 1940.
 
1940 - 1941 -  By mid to late 1940 many newly arrived vehicles and tanks appear to be painted a plain overall colour, BS. 52 Pale Cream is cited for the 6 RTR new A9 cruisers, whilst the more normal colours seem to have been Light Stone No.61 or Portland Stone No.64.  However about November 1940 a new scheme was specified in G.O 297.  This scheme comprised the tri-coloured disruptive designs now known as ‘Caunter Scheme’.  Very many AFVs and softskins carried this scheme of Portland Stone No.64 basic with Silver Grey No. 28 and Slate No.34 or Khaki Green No. 3 in angular disruptive stripes.  Period G.Os specify Light Stone No.61 or Portland Stone No.64 at various times and a local variation may have substituted a mixed light blue-grey for Silver Grey No. 28.  A scheme for use in the Sudan specified Light Stone No.61 with Light Purple Brown No.49 in patches or stripes.  A variation of Caunter was applied for use in Greece during 1941.  This has the areas normally painted Silver Grey 28 to be either Light Purple Brown or Slate 34 and the remainder Light Stone No.61.  The actual pattern deviated in detail from an exact replication of the drawings so perusal of photographs is recommended here.  
 
October 1941  - A Signal 4/105 indicates a painting policy change and calls for one basic colour only, Light Stone No.61 to be used before issue to units with Area Commands allowed to apply a single disruptive colour if desired.
 
December 1941 -  G.O.1272 now calls for a basic colour of Light Stone No.61 or  Portland Stone No.64, according to supplies with one disruptive colour over at the discretion of Commands i.e. Palestine , Malta , Trans-Jordan etc.  This cancels GO 297 of 1940 and GO 795 of 1941.   At first this may have been Slate in patterns similar to Caunter but later possibly Slate No. 34, Silver Grey No. 28 and Black have been noted in apparently random patterns. 
 
Malta adopted a distinctive design generally known as ‘rubble’, a series of light coloured blocks with a darker colour as ‘cement’ lines.  This scheme varied immensely, from the neat appearance of stonework through crazy paving to straight lines like a chessboard. The colours varied from Khaki Green No. 3 lines with Light Stone No.61 or  Portland Stone No.64 ‘stones’ over it to darker lines painted over the original sand colour depending on country of origin. 
 
1942.  Over Light Stone 61 the single colour disruptive was still in force although many units did not employ it whilst others used a variety of schemes, designs and colours, some with black and/or white outlining.
October 1942.  Another policy change issued this month.  G.O.1650 cancels all previous patterns and colours and introduces standardised drawings for certain type and classes of AFV and vehicles as decreed by the Camouflage Directorate of GHQ ME (G(cam)).  Colours to be used are :- Basic shade – Desert Pink Z.I. with a disruptive pattern in Dark (Olive) Green PFI.  Black ( S.C.C. 14), Very Dark Brown ( S.C.C. 1A) or Dark Slate BS. 34 are alternatives.  These designs are common on Shermans , Grants, Valentines, Crusaders, Stuarts and the Churchills of Kingforce (which were most probably Light Stone No.61 over Khaki Green No. 3 or S.C.C. 2 in the Crusader design).  As Desert Pink was a new colour, Light Stone No.61 continued in use on vehicles with or without disruptive paintwork.  Desert pink occurs on its own as a single shade on vehicles of no tactical value and ACVs.  Some ACVs disguised as 10 ton trucks by application of specifically shaped black areas to resemble shadows and structure joins.
 
Where dyed tilts were supplied from the UK and Commonwealth they were chemically bleached to a pale brown colour. 
Although M.T.P.46 had provision for ME colours actual use of this type of scheme has not been confirmed.
 
April 1943 -  G.O 1650 is cancelled by a new G.O with standardised drawings for certain type and classes of AFV and vehicles are decreed by the Camouflage Directorate including new colours for Tunisia , Sicily and Italy .  Basic shade is ‘Light Mud’ with Black in standardised bold disruptive patterns for camouflage.  Green seems to have been used too.  There are indications that Light Mud was used as early as March 1943 in Tunisia .  All ‘desert’ colours to be overpainted.  Lend Lease vehicles used ‘Light Mud’ over US Olive Drab as an alternative.  By late 1943 European colours are common.  In May 1944 S.C.C. 15 Olive drab is introduced to replace all earlier schemes. "
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Re: [Ace] Gaz-M-415 le Serment de Koufra

Message par Philippe F le Ven 7 Déc 2018 - 16:33

fourneau a écrit:je vois que tu es en pleine rénovation de simca mille pigeot  clown , la partie transparente est récupérable ??

autrement bien vue le tableau de bord

Pierre

Pour la Simca 1000 le pare brise est devenue assez opaque , je cherche  à le rendre de nouveau transparent.

unguibusetrostro a écrit:Si je puis me permettre :


"MIDDLE EAST
 
Middle East practice was determined by local General Orders and, due to supply problems, more variation is apparent than that in Europe.
 
1935 – 1939   In 1936 the 11th Hussars had Rolls-Royce and Crossley armoured cars together with support trucks in Silver with gloss Black disruptive bands.  In the same year 6 RTC Vickers Medium tanks were in BS.52 Pale Cream with a fairly standard disruptive pattern of BS.46 Red Oxide applied.  By 1937 this pattern had changed somewhat but was the same on every tank and used the same colours.  The 11th Hussars meantime had adopted the same cream/ red colours and established a fairly regular pattern on their Rolls-Royce cars. This unit utilised other colours up to 1939 but the pattern remained.  By this time various other units in Egypt has also adopted disruptive painting of various styles and colours.
 
1939 – 1940 -  On 25 July 1939 G.O 370 specified a basic colour of BS. 62 Middle Stone with a disruptive patterning of ‘Dark Sand’ in style similar to M.T.P. 20.  This scheme appears relatively common in Egypt in summer of 1940.
 
1940 - 1941 -  By mid to late 1940 many newly arrived vehicles and tanks appear to be painted a plain overall colour, BS. 52 Pale Cream is cited for the 6 RTR new A9 cruisers, whilst the more normal colours seem to have been Light Stone No.61 or Portland Stone No.64.  However about November 1940 a new scheme was specified in G.O 297.  This scheme comprised the tri-coloured disruptive designs now known as ‘Caunter Scheme’.  Very many AFVs and softskins carried this scheme of Portland Stone No.64 basic with Silver Grey No. 28 and Slate No.34 or Khaki Green No. 3 in angular disruptive stripes.  Period G.Os specify Light Stone No.61 or Portland Stone No.64 at various times and a local variation may have substituted a mixed light blue-grey for Silver Grey No. 28.  A scheme for use in the Sudan specified Light Stone No.61 with Light Purple Brown No.49 in patches or stripes.  A variation of Caunter was applied for use in Greece during 1941.  This has the areas normally painted Silver Grey 28 to be either Light Purple Brown or Slate 34 and the remainder Light Stone No.61.  The actual pattern deviated in detail from an exact replication of the drawings so perusal of photographs is recommended here.  
 
October 1941  - A Signal 4/105 indicates a painting policy change and calls for one basic colour only, Light Stone No.61 to be used before issue to units with Area Commands allowed to apply a single disruptive colour if desired.
 
December 1941 -  G.O.1272 now calls for a basic colour of Light Stone No.61 or  Portland Stone No.64, according to supplies with one disruptive colour over at the discretion of Commands i.e. Palestine , Malta , Trans-Jordan etc.  This cancels GO 297 of 1940 and GO 795 of 1941.   At first this may have been Slate in patterns similar to Caunter but later possibly Slate No. 34, Silver Grey No. 28 and Black have been noted in apparently random patterns. 
 
Malta adopted a distinctive design generally known as ‘rubble’, a series of light coloured blocks with a darker colour as ‘cement’ lines.  This scheme varied immensely, from the neat appearance of stonework through crazy paving to straight lines like a chessboard. The colours varied from Khaki Green No. 3 lines with Light Stone No.61 or  Portland Stone No.64 ‘stones’ over it to darker lines painted over the original sand colour depending on country of origin. 
 
1942.  Over Light Stone 61 the single colour disruptive was still in force although many units did not employ it whilst others used a variety of schemes, designs and colours, some with black and/or white outlining.
October 1942.  Another policy change issued this month.  G.O.1650 cancels all previous patterns and colours and introduces standardised drawings for certain type and classes of AFV and vehicles as decreed by the Camouflage Directorate of GHQ ME (G(cam)).  Colours to be used are :- Basic shade – Desert Pink Z.I. with a disruptive pattern in Dark (Olive) Green PFI.  Black ( S.C.C. 14), Very Dark Brown ( S.C.C. 1A) or Dark Slate BS. 34 are alternatives.  These designs are common on Shermans , Grants, Valentines, Crusaders, Stuarts and the Churchills of Kingforce (which were most probably Light Stone No.61 over Khaki Green No. 3 or S.C.C. 2 in the Crusader design).  As Desert Pink was a new colour, Light Stone No.61 continued in use on vehicles with or without disruptive paintwork.  Desert pink occurs on its own as a single shade on vehicles of no tactical value and ACVs.  Some ACVs disguised as 10 ton trucks by application of specifically shaped black areas to resemble shadows and structure joins.
 
Where dyed tilts were supplied from the UK and Commonwealth they were chemically bleached to a pale brown colour. 
Although M.T.P.46 had provision for ME colours actual use of this type of scheme has not been confirmed.
 
April 1943 -  G.O 1650 is cancelled by a new G.O with standardised drawings for certain type and classes of AFV and vehicles are decreed by the Camouflage Directorate including new colours for Tunisia , Sicily and Italy .  Basic shade is ‘Light Mud’ with Black in standardised bold disruptive patterns for camouflage.  Green seems to have been used too.  There are indications that Light Mud was used as early as March 1943 in Tunisia .  All ‘desert’ colours to be overpainted.  Lend Lease vehicles used ‘Light Mud’ over US Olive Drab as an alternative.  By late 1943 European colours are common.  In May 1944 S.C.C. 15 Olive drab is introduced to replace all earlier schemes. "
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Merci Paco, je connaissais maquetland, mais là, j'ai pris le temps de lire plus à fond, encore plus malade que moi le monsieur, je vais m’inspirer de lui pour la teinte sable.
Il me confirme le peu d'information que l'on possède, il est vrai que ce n'était pas leur première préoccupation à l'époque de penser à un maquettiste qui essayerait de faire un de leur véhicule 76 ans après.

Ton texte , je l'enregistre et je le traduis à tête reposé avec Pierre.
A une petite chose faire un moteur c'est bien, le peindre c'est autre chose. drunken

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Re: [Ace] Gaz-M-415 le Serment de Koufra

Message par bear29 le Ven 7 Déc 2018 - 17:24

Un grand merci Paco pour ton lien sur Koufra Very Happy

Cela confirme mon impression que le Ford 917G (sorti récemment chez IBG) est quasi similaire au Matford 817T cheers

Un autre camion à incorporer dans mon armée France 40 Wink

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Re: [Ace] Gaz-M-415 le Serment de Koufra

Message par Philippe F le Ven 7 Déc 2018 - 17:35

bear29 a écrit:Un grand merci Paco pour ton lien sur Koufra Very Happy

Cela confirme mon impression que le Ford 917G (sorti récemment chez IBG) est quasi similaire au Matford 817T  cheers

Un autre camion à incorporer dans mon armée France 40  Wink


Fait attention à la calandre ce n'est pas la même.

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Re: [Ace] Gaz-M-415 le Serment de Koufra

Message par bear29 le Ven 7 Déc 2018 - 17:50

Ainsi que les ouies d'aération du capot moteur et autres petites babioles ; c'est bien pour cela que j'ai dit quasi similaire Wink

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Message par Philippe F le Ven 7 Déc 2018 - 21:21

Bah, le même genre de petite modif que sur la Gaz Very Happy

Un Détail pour des pro comme nous. drunken

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Re: [Ace] Gaz-M-415 le Serment de Koufra

Message par Paul2012 le Dim 9 Déc 2018 - 17:43

Bravo pour le travail effectué, je m'installe pour la suite...
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Re: [Ace] Gaz-M-415 le Serment de Koufra

Message par Philippe F le Mar 11 Déc 2018 - 10:46

Merci Paul.

Petite avancée.
Le Moteur
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Le moteur est un chouïas de travers cela ne ce voit que sur la photo et en dessous.
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Comme pour les cockpits une fois fermé on ne voit plus rien.
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La calandre  un peu de rattrapage à faire
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Re: [Ace] Gaz-M-415 le Serment de Koufra

Message par bear29 le Mar 11 Déc 2018 - 12:27

Il est bien chargé ce petit pick-up Exclamation
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Message par unguibusetrostro le Mar 11 Déc 2018 - 13:24

Pas mal du tout

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